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Ok so this has been motivated due to an argument that myself and another writer on tecstories had earlier today. Now what I had said was that Origins, owned and operated by EA could and might start to push into the Games Distribution market and could quite effectively completely remove Steam (owned and operated by Valve Corporation) as a means to purchase further games, the reason I say this is that we all have games on Steam so none of us want Steam to go. 

Now as we all know, the big titles nowadays seem to be releasing with Steam, both HardCopy and digital, and example of a game would be Bethesda's Skyrim or Blizzard-Activision's popular Call of Duty series of which Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops and now Black Ops 2 is being sold on Steam. What most of may have noticed though is how much these games are, Skyrim is $60, same was with Modern Warfare 2 when it came out and the same was with these big titles that choose to use Steam as their form of content-delivery.

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Now to get to the meat of the conversation, why is it that EA, a company that matches if not exceedes Valve in terms of profit, cannot develop a content-delivery system that will not only beat Steam, but completely obliterate it. Let's look at why the prices are as they are on Steam for example, when a developer approaches Steam as their form of content-deliver, Steam demands a 30% stake in the sale, so for every copy of a game bought on Steam, Valve gets 30% of that sale, thus the reason for the $60 ~ R500 pricetag on CoD and Skyrim. So think about it, Bethesda for example used to sell games for ~R350 (South African, deal with it Americans cool) now this was when they weren't using Steam. Now due to Steam, Bethesda must now add that 30% fee incurred which now bumps up prices for us to R500 ($60).

 

Ok so back to Origins, why is it that Origins cannot simply publish games but at a lower price, for example, instead of demanding a 30% fee, instead only charge a 20% fee. Now you may say, as bob did, why would EA do this, surely they should just keep it at a 30% fee. You are now the customer, would you pay for Skyrim at 30% (R500~$60) or Skyrim at 20% (R420~$51), now this is taken with a base of R350. So already you can see, should Origin (Electronic Arts) cut the fee by a mere 10%, you're telling me that yourself as the customer would rather go to Steam? No, didn't think so. So to clarify, even though EA will be maing 10% less per game than Steam, more people would buy from Origins so they would actually nmake more money, Economics Next thing you may think, well surely Steam would then match if not beat Origins prices? Yes they would, I have no doubt that they would. But lets remember something, at the moment Valve = EA in terms of money generated more or less, so for Valave this is their livelyhood, EA not so much they could put the fee all the way dow to 1% if they wanted to and would still be making a profit. Valve however would suffer greatly since Valve is mainly based around Steam as their form of revenue. So again EA would benefit and would succeed in taking Valve's customer base.

Now for an example, at the moment since EA hasn't really pushed for other Game Developers to use Origins, I can give 1 example and it's a good one none the less. 

Most of us now of a game known as Kingdom of Amalur: Reckoning, now this is the first game I have seen that uses Origins as one form of content-delivery with the other form being Steam. Short and sweet, the price for Reckoning on Steam? $60 ~R500 on Origins? R349.99, However we must take into account that EA does publish this game thus does not need to incur a fee ,but if it did add 20% it would be R420, ok so now as we can see by the price which one are you going to be buying? the Steam version or the Origins version..?

 

Let's me clarify any points here, what I am trying to say is that EA could completely ruin Steam just for giggles since they would just carry on operating as if they never had Origins, so am I not right in saying that Origins could and may be the next big content-delivery system. Another thing you may be thinking, why does this guy prefer Origins asopposed to Steam? Well one major glaring point, everygame I have bought on Origins, not once have they said "This game is currently unavailable" due to some update I dont have, Origins says: sure man lets just play, who cares about updates, do it in your own time. So to me that is less intrusive. That's why I prefer Origins. Inb4 Origin EULA, it isn't that harsh, sure it stops you from sueing them, but really are you going to? Some people also think the EULA robs people of the right to make a dispute public, have you guys heard of blogs ? facebook ? There ways to make ones self heard.

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+1 #6 hambeggar 2012-07-12 08:01
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1. It's Origin. Not Origins.

Wow, how petty that you have to do that. Hey man it's not steam, it's Steam. Look how superior I am now...
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2. Origin doesn't have the support that steam does from It's customers. Go to the Origin forums and look around

Well no shit, since Origin (MUST GET SPELLING CORRECT !!) is NEW and Steam has a bajillion titles and has been out for ages, oh and lets not forget how hard it is to get people off something they have used for AGES. I think you should actually go to the forums, I think you'll find people that DON'T like it.
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3. Steam is more refined. Do I mind giving them 30%?
So you like shelling out 30% more for nothing, oh look, it let's me join communitites, you mean that thing that people don't use very much of ? What else, oh look voice-chat, people rather use Skype, Xfire, Gtalk or just plain Teamspeak, since you know Steam chat is of SHIT quality. So you want to pay an EXTRA 30% for something that is refined and hasn't seen any new functions in AGES, ok then. Laslty on this point, lets look at VAC, oh VAC you infallible system, so Valve just comes up with a banning system that CANNOT be wrong, I've had two friends get VAC-banned from games for something that WAS NOT their fault but since VAC is the almighty God and cannot get anything wrong since the dev's who wrote it must be the only coders alive who's projects don't have bugs. So you're thinking, "But surely you can email them and they sort it out ?!", THEY DON'T, a VAC-ban is FINAL. SO goodbye to that game you PAID for. That YOU paid for.
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Also I'd rather fund projects that Valve is doing, mostly because I like their games and I don't want to play CoD 67

Oh is it, you would rather fund Valve projects, so open your cupboard there and your downloads and let's see who's games you have more of. I think you play more EA games than anything else and how exactly does CoD pertain to your banter ? EA has nothing to do with Blizzavision.

But let's look at some games that is published by EA. Mass Effect series, The Sims series, Battlefield series, KOTOR series, Dragon Age series, all games that are VASTLY superior to Valve games and sales show it.

LAST POINT, did you read that this was an OPINION AND some of us like to use a content-delivery system BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER. ORIGIN (SPELL ALL THE WORDS !) IS CHEAPER and could offer all the games Steam offers.

Game, set, match.
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0 #5 Tm1987 2012-07-11 19:08
1. It's Origin. Not Origins.
2. Origin doesn't have the support that steam does from
It's customers. Go to the Origin forums and look around
3. Steam is more refined. Do I mind giving them 30%? Hell no, do I mind using Origin who's product isn't as good? Yup. Also I'd rather fund projects that Valve is doing, mostly because I like their games and I don't want to play CoD 67. Either way Origin won't push Valve or Steam out. Sorry
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0 #4 hambeggar 2012-06-08 07:47
Quoting Rick:
i use both steam and origin ...

I'll admit I also don't see the point as to why Origins uses more memory I just had a thunk, it uses C# no doubt so since C# handles memory on its own it inflates memory due to the Garbage Collection system it uses, oh and what you said about your processor, memory doesnt 'overload' your CPU. However I do have a possible fix since, like you, BF3 use to crash as well. Now BF3 uses a lot of memory and like you said it doesnt help that browsers and origins use so much memory. Now This will work if you have 4GB of RAM and maybe if you have 3GB as well as if you use 32bit Windows, if 64bit then I cant help. BF3 does NOT like 2GB of RAM it needs much more since 32bit Windows has a maximum memory address per application of 2GB that includes not only the RAM usage but the VRAM (GPU RAM) usage so as you can see with BF3, thats not much. So to get around this we can manually tell Windows to allocate more memory with a maximum of 3.5GB (32bit restraint). OK so:

Step 1: Open CMD.exe with admin rights. Type cmd into the search bar in windows start for quick access. Make sure you run as administrator.

Step 2: Type the following into the console: bcdedit /set increaseuserva 2500 Ok so depending on the amount of RAM you have, if 3GB set to 2500 as above. If 4GB, it's safe to allocate 3000. Now that line increases the RAM allocated. DO NOT allocate the same amount as you actually have. Example if you have 3GB total, do not set to 3000 since it will cause errors and crashes since it deprives the crucial system processes of RAM that it needs.
Step 3: A confirmation of sorts will display such as, USER VA increased or something, then RESTART you PC.

Step 4/Optional: Just to check after the reboot that it indeed did take effect. Open CMD again, this time just type in bcdedit, scroll down until you see increaseuserva, and the amount should be what you typed in. If not, back to step 1.

Lastly, should you want to get rid of this change and put it back to default simply pen CMD and type bcedit /deletevalue increaseuserva
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+1 #3 Rick 2012-06-08 07:02
i use both steam and origin and if you take a look at the performance of origin its almost double the memory hog as steam.

(average's)
Steam runs around 50,000k
Origin runs around 85,000k
now if a game use's a server like BF3 thats another 60.000k(internet explorer)
100,000k(chrome)

This is what causes my game to crash on BF3 from overloading my CPU(Q6600)

just an interesting fact i might through out there, my point being steam is polished and runs much better for a gaming experience.
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0 #2 hambeggar 2012-05-18 10:45
Quoting ben:
I think the first and most important thing when looking at both companies is who gives the better service. You make the update look like a bad thing, while in all reality, steam is making sure that the product you bought from them is kept up-to-date.
Also, your claim of the differences of how much both companies charges a fee to host the game on their servier has really nothing to do with us, but the publishers and developers. I say this because, when you compare prices of the same game on both sites, Steam typically wins the race by far. Steam seems to always have incredible sales or combo package of bundled games. If you look at Batman Arkham City, Steam sells it for a standard price of $29.99 while origin, the company that published it, sells it for $49.99? so your telling me as a customer, that i would want to buy it from origin because they dont charge as much of a fee to host it on their site to the developers. also Steam had the game on sale for more than 50% off..

Sorry but what you just said is a load of rubbish, first off you say that it's good that they keep your game up-to-date. OK there's a difference between updating your game and stopping you from playing your game UNTIL it is updated..secondly the price that you pay, no matter it be a special or combo-pack, that price is still inflated by Steam by 30% now if you read the article, I said that if Origins held a 20% cost....so the publishers could still offer that special/ combo-pack albeit at a 10% less than what Steam can offer... oh and last I checked Batman Arkham City is NOT published by EA and does NOT feature on the Origins store anymore...So read my article again..

EDIT: Oh and in terms of service, how does Steam and Origins differ...they practically do the same thing...If anything, Steam is bulkier than Origins..
EDIT2: Oh look, $20 for MoH on Steam, lets look at Origins, hey its less than $10
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0 #1 ben 2012-05-17 16:33
I think the first and most important thing when looking at both companies is who gives the better service. You make the update look like a bad thing, while in all reality, steam is making sure that the product you bought from them is kept up-to-date.
Also, your claim of the differences of how much both companies charges a fee to host the game on their servier has really nothing to do with us, but the publishers and developers. I say this because, when you compare prices of the same game on both sites, Steam typically wins the race by far. Steam seems to always have incredible sales or combo package of bundled games. If you look at Batman Arkham City, steam sells it for a standard price of $29.99 while origin, the company that published it, sells it for $49.99? so your telling me as a customer, that i would want to buy it from origin because they dont charge as much of a fee to host it on their site to the developers. also Steam had the game on sale for more than 50% off..
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